airbrushes/dry brushes...

[kustomrodder]

Hey guys n gals,
One quick question.I have an Iwata EclipseHP-C that I just recently purchased.They say it can spray hairline details but you have to get pretty close to the surface being painted with the nozzle tip off which exposes the needle making a dangerous endevour indeed.
Is it an acceptable practice in kustom painting to use regular artists' brushes with bc paints or am I gone crazy.Will the paint clear the same or will I be forced to buy another airbrush for extremely high detail work like the Iwata custom micron?
Thanx for listening,I know I can always count on you guys for support....

 

[sw engineering]

The HP-C comes with a .3mm fluid nozzle, try a .2mm, this will tighten your line alittle more. The HP-C is a great brush but I would discribe it as fine line not hair line.
My girlfriend had a Micron CM-B to do illustrations and I've used it. It shoots HAIRLINES with NO OVER SPRAY...it had some crazy nozzle size... .15mm or .18mm I think. They're big bucks too...$250+. If your doing murals or something else with super high detail, the micron series is the only way to go. I've never seen anything spray as fine as them. I use a HP-C with a solvent proof bearing. I do not do jobs that would require a mircon but I do know the difference between the two. The HP-C has always treated me fine, it's a great all around brush. Don't feel bad about buying a HP-C, you would go nuts using a micron to spray anything of large scale.
Also, I maybe wrong but I doubt any pearl or metallic will not go thru a micron. I can't imagine you would have a need to spray hairline pearls but you never know. I sprayed very thin black and white urethanes without a problem.

I have never used a brush (except stripers) so I can't help you there. But I don't see why you couldn't...I don't think you could top an airbrush though

 

[kustomrodder]

Thanx for the feedback,
When you say 'solvent proof bearing' are you referring to automotive reducers ,and how did you go about getting that done? Will the airbrush fall apart if it isnt solvent proof?I was under the impresion that it already was straight from factory.
I'm gonna take your advice and get me a .2mm fluid nozzle tip.
Thanx for the feedback...

 

[sw engineering]

yes. most automotive paints will chew up the needle bearing. Some call it an oring... samething.
Regardless of where you buy your airbrush, you can get the upgrade from Coast Airbrush. It's ~$15 and guaranteed for life too...I think.
Check them too for a price on the micron...probably the cheapest out there.

To change an HP-C to .2mm I think you have to buy 4 things...
Fluid cap
Fluid nozzle
Needle cap
Needle nozzle
I'm not sure exactly whats involved but I know it's possible though. Check with Coast AB. If those are the only 4 parts you need they will probably run you around $50.
I'm not promising it will give you the hairline line that you looking for but it will be tighter...still not like a micron though

 

[kustomrodder]

The upgrade sounds good ,is .2mm the smallest way to go or have you heard of anyone going smaller.

 

[sw engineering]

99% sure .2mm is the smallest you can go on a HP-C. Again, check with Coast AB.

I hope .2mm give you what your looking for.... if not, save you pennies for a micron

 

[Nate Hansen]

if ya got an HP-C you only need to buy the .2 nozzle to convert. the 4 piece conversion is for the .4 nozzle

 

[Nate Hansen]

ohh yeah, its really tight detail, but for really fine stuff ya gotta take the nozzle cap off. if you are working that fine you are probably being really carefull anyways............and as far as the micron (i've never used one this is just what i've read from stuff by Fraser) if you want really fine detail ya wanna take the cap off. taking the cap off allows you to see the needle, which makes it easier to control. it also lets you get the gun closer to your work, producing finer detail. lastly, if you get too close with the cap on it can create a suction effect, which may or may not diffuse your line

 

[kustomrodder]

Hey fellas,
I also have an Iwata-Eclipse HP-BCS.I'm curious ,what would I have to do in order to get tighter lines from that particular airbrush?I bought it used and dont even know what size fluid nozzle it has(.35mm , .50 ,etc.)
Also,with the HP-C, I bought the fluid nozzle but do I also need to get a .2mm needle?

Thanx again..

 

[sw engineering]

The BCS is a med./heavy sprayer. Great for doing anything other than detail work. It should have a .5mm nozzle. I don't think smaller nozzles are even available for them. Try screwing your HP-C nozzle on and see if it works...I doubt it though

The needle with the HP-C should work with the smaller nozzle. Just make sure you adjust it first of course.

Post back with the results of the .2mm nozzle. I know somebody that wants to do the samething with a HP-C and would like to know how it works.

 

[Nate Hansen]

He's right, regular hp-c needle will be fine. as far as the eclipse, he's right again, .5 mm, however they do make a .35 for it, and I think you only need the nozzle. no way will the hp-c nozzle work on an eclipse, eclipse nozzles just kinda float, while hp nozzles are screw in