Black on Black

[T-Boy]

here's a job i've always fancied putting down on any type of vehicle really= its a two type black .flame job-what i mean to say is gloss black hotrod flames over a matt black base. reckon this would be synister and cool but if anyone here has done this before which have they laid 1st and why. looking forward to having my thoughts ironed out

 

[TAZ]

I didn't see a pic, but I think I know what you are talking about.
Flat base with the gloss flames.
I've never done one, but personally, I would probably do the gloss first. Then I would wetsand and buff if needed. Then I would mask up the flames, sand the flames. Then I would either spray the black or a coat of clear with flattening agent
I see no way of doing this without leaving an edge. I would think you could put a hand pinstripe on the edge to help mellow out that edge. Although you will still be able to feel the pinstripes.
You can only do the pinstripes as long as the edge did not get too thick on you.

 

[T-Boy]

Cheers Taz and i don't have a pic to illustrate this but how you explain it is exactly what i am talking about
-last nite i read into some of the problems of matt finishing and come up with what may be an ideal way of 'manipulation of paint' as opposed to the 'application of paint' to give the the desired effect.
how about thisaint the bc then the cc (with matting-/flatting agent in it) allow a period of curing enough to be able to mask, mask area to desired shapes and then using a minipolisher and your hands carefully wet sandand and buff up the flatblack to a gloss finish- plenty of care needed (lets face it custom painters should have buckets full of this) admittedly but a non stepped edge finish to stripe (or leave if you like to show off)
Any thoughts from anyone out there on the idea and ihis method?
Greatly appreciated

 

[Brian Dee]

Here's one with the effect your looking for. As you can see it's been striped in a contrasting color. Pretty difficult to get rid of that tape edge and no striping. This was done by Ron Gibbs in Toronto. I can see your idea on the buffing. But my concern would be getting clean edges on the masking tape line. Might want to try a test panel.

 

[TAZ]

My exact thought as Brian's. I think inside the area would be fine, but I think trying to get a perfect crisp edge between the flat and gloss would not be easy. You'd have to get the buffer right up next to the tape...plus eventually will give out on you. Then your screwed

 

[T-Boy]

Thanks for your advice and thoughts gentlemen-i will undertake a test panel and see how far the minipolisher can go and how much by hand thereafter. Top blokes! Cheers:cheers:

 

[hoss]

the gloss is done first, then sanded and buffed. after that you lay out your flames and shoot the flattend single stage paint and pinstripe the edge.

if you have a good window on your clearcoat, then you might be able to shoot the single stage over the clear and get a bit of a chemical bond, but i'd still sand it down w/ a scotchbrite pad.

this is the best attack for this style, and all the info i've ever read on it are these steps as scott has said. but there are many ways to do things, this one just will keep the dirt out better.

 

[T-Boy]

Many thanks :cheers: