diablo red kandy/black diamond firemist old school flames questions/concerns??

[gtc73]

Good morning painters!
Been a while, well because I paint usaually in the winter up here in good old NE.

Here's this year's project.

Gonna use all Kustom Shop paints for the job, cause well I just plain like them.

- base will be brilliant silver metalic
- old school black diamond firemist flames to be taped off and air brushed on...
- diablo red kandy to finish everything off.

So I have a couple of questions;

1. the application order...ie, silver base 1st is a no brainer.
2. I figured I would then mid coat clear the silver because this will all not be done in 1 day....will be several days....possibly even weeks as I get time for the project.
3. come back and scuff the mid coat clear and tape off the old school flames and apply the black diamond firemist flames and drop shadows. and then mid coat clear again.
4. scuff and lay down the kandy over everything.....
5. final clears.

So the reading I am seeing and the tech sheets on the kandy product ( and I assume this applies to most kandy applications) is that some amount of bleeding may occur.

So my questions are, (1) would you apply the after the black flames are layed down? I am assuming this is correct for now. (2) when do I have to worry about the bleeding? whereas the tins will be mid coated before the application of the kandy, will this prevent or help prevent the kandy from bleeding with the black flames? (3) or is it the final clear over the handy that causes the kandy to bleed?? and what is that affect usaually like.

1st time spraying kandy....so I wanted to get some questions out there.

thanks/g

 

[TAZ]

Hey GTC, good to see you back....

Since you are doing black ghost flames, you really don't have to worry about bleeding.

You can do it one of two ways.
Do the silver, candy, clearcoat, resand, then do the flames/drop shadows, and reclear again
OR
you could do the silver, interclear, flames, drop shadows, then the candy and clear.
If you do it this way, I would suggest just doing your flames, then the drop shadows, the right after that do the candy. This will save you materials and time since you don't have to do a interclear, and resand.

As far as I know, interclear doe not prevent bleeding.
Bleeding would be like if you had a candy job, and you sanded it and you broke through some areas. Then you spray a silver basecoat. You'll see some candy bleed through wherever you break though. Only certain candies do this though.

Also, I'm not for sure Black Diamond Firemist is, so be sure and do a test panel first. If this is like a charcoal looking color, depending on the effect you want, you probably would want to do the candy first, clear, resand method mentioned above. If you do it before the candy you will end up with some black cherry looking flames. Again, this is only if the black diamond firemist is more of a charcoal looking color (not a black)

 

[gtc73]

Hey Taz!

Ya man it's good to be back in the paint booth....I have to admit, this is kind of an addiction really.

I was thinking over your comments about the black cherry flames....I'm thinking I want to avoid that.....actually I also believe I may NOT be looking at GHOST flames here, but more of a pure black or pure metalic black old schooll flame job. Black on the top of the tins, with the flames dropping down over the red. Maybe a few ghosty flames on the red though....so it sounds more like silver, mid, kandy, mid, tape/black, clear to avoid any black cherry affects....

ordering paint, pics are at least a month away....should be fun!!!

g

 

[gtc73]

here's something I am trying to think through...

whereas the silver base is a metalic, I'm thinking the flames should be metalic as well, as apposed to having a solid black flame on over a metalic base..?? hmmm,,,,,affects affects?? got to think this one through....

 

[gtc73]

WWWWHHHHAAAATTTTTT!!!!!!

$55.00 hazardous material shipping charge on top of s/h ???? that seems unacceptable to me!!!! is this typical of buying paint online??

 

[TAZ]

Personally I like subtle black ghost flames over a candy color. Gives a 'wicked' look to it.
At least that's the way I like it.

If you decide to do the flames UNDER the candy, and you do not want the black cherry look, do not use anything other than black.


Yep, bet you just realized, that you really don't like Kustom Shop paint that well once you saw that $55 cost.
You can find another brand with something similar to the candy and the flame color you want and just order locally.

 

[gtc73]

hey Taz!
Just emailed TCPglobal regarding the "hazmat charge". according to them thats if the shipment goes air.....ground has no hazmat charge. lets see how this goes. I actually like Kustom Shop's ready to spray urethanes ....so I'm gonna give this a shot...also hung up on getting a solid black, vrs a pearlized metalic black....man!!!! choices choices!!!!!

 

[gtc73]

yup, no hazmat charge if going ground.
$144.00 for all paint tape and masking.....I'm ok with that.

gonna have to start taking the tins off the bike and prep them......getting psyched to get started!

 

[gtc73]

If you do it before the candy you will end up with some black cherry looking flames. Again, this is only if the black diamond firemist is more of a charcoal looking color (not a black)

Taz? and or others....regarding the Black cherry affect....so candy apple red over the black. ?? I know I know.....do a test panel right??

Just wondering, is it pretty much a given that candy apple red over deep solid black will not show up? or will it reflect the red in the sun light??

thanks/g

 

[gtc73]

and what about customizing the candy...?

Wondering, if I can add other candy to tint or change the color slightly....like blue or a orange candy to come up with a custom candy.....just wondering....

I am assuming I would need to add a "dye" as apposed to a "pigment"......if I am speaking the right lingo here.....for example, you can't add say orange solid base (which has a solid pigment) to a candy .....that would kill the candy affect correct?

 

[TAZ]

If you go straight black for the flames you can do these under or over the candy. Really not much of a difference at all.
We normally do it under the candy, this way we can do silver, flames, then candy and clear and we're done. No need to spray the silver, candy, clear, resand, THEN add the flames and reclear. Kind of risky doing it the way I mentioned. You better mask it up good. Don't want any black 'blow through' over the silver base.

As far as mixing candies, yes you can do this. Don't go too wild though since you don't have too much experience. Do NOT add a pearl, metallic, or a solid type toner like a red, white, blue...as this will 'kill' the richness of candy.