flames on a factory paint job

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parkman

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I just got a new honda vtx in candy red and want to keep the collor and ad gost flame over it.what do I have to do to prep the tank before masking for flames?Should I clean and sand it than spray a clear coat?Or just clean and sand before taping? please help! Also what paints should I use over factory paint thanks in advance! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif :
 

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myfamiliacc

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Parkman, 1st let me say that I like your way of thinking. There isn't a better thing you can do to a shiny new bike than to add flames! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/peace.gif Any way. This is how I would go about it.

1. Disassemble all the parts to be painted
2. Wash with dish-soap and water
3. Clean with wax and tar remover

Now because this is a new factory finish. the clear may be pretty thin so you will want to be careful.

4. LIGHTLY scuff with 1000 grit wet
5. Spray a light coat of HOK adhesive promoter
6. Spray a tack coat of HOK mid-coat clear followed by a wet coat then let dry
7. Tape out and spray your flames
8. Tack coat clear, followed by 2 or 3 wet and let dry
9. Sand flat with 800 grit to get rid of the flame edges
10. Tack coat clear, followed by 1 wet
11. Wetsand with 1500 and 2000 grit then buff and polish

Note: You could skip steps 4,5 and 6 by LIGHTLY and CAREFULLY scuffing with 600 or 800 grit then Tape out your flames over the factory clear, but because the factory clear may be very thin, you could easily burn past it, and that wouldn't be fun. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif
 

Bornhard

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Parkman

Depending on how you want your flames to look, you have a couple options with color use. You can go over a red with a darker red (adding a couple drops of cobalt blue kandy, maybe one drop of green Koncentrates to some kandy apple red in House Of Kolor SG-100) That will make the flames a darker red & keep the flames translucent in color. Another, maybe easier & cheaper option is to get a shade of dry pearl (maybe silver, or gold) and mix it with SG-100 and lightly spray your flames. The flames will contrast the base color, but with Pearl the will pop out and recede as the light hits it.

Other options are to make solid color flames that totally pop up and contrast the base, but compliment your kandy red color. Like silver flames on a kandy red for example. Just some examples of what you can do.

In step 4 you can use a red scotchbrite pad instead of sandpaper and get the surface scuffed up, w/o the risk of chewing through the clear. One bit of WARNING though, be extra careful and easy around any edges. You can sand through layers easier in those areas.

On step 6 with the mid coat clear (SG-100?), it is advisable to wait an hour after spraying before applying any kind of tape.

With your project it looks like you will only need small quantities of material to complete your job, so I wanted to mention www.coastairbrush.com. I don't make a dime off of this, but they will sell you kandy koncentrates, dry pearls etc. in very small, to large quantities. If you went with pearls you may only need an ounce to complete your ghost flames.

good luck & have fun!
 
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StreetMuscle

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When I did the flames on my VTX. I sanded the tank and front fender with gray scotch-brite and a PPG product called Final Scuff (DX101 sanding past). Then did the flames and re cleared everything. Be carefull around the edges and the rivets on the fender.

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Joe
 
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