Help with flame redo!!

[Mitchb71]

Ok everything was going great, based and cleared. Layed the flames out, but the base down and then the candy..... The candy was way tooo light. The finished product looked like an awesome tank with easter green flames... Not to mention that to even get it that dark i had to put alot of coats on.... Hellacious edge. Well what im gonna do now is restart. What is the best way to take everything down so that i can repaint, without going to primer. I don't want to have too much paint on it either. The first color was a tri-coat orange. So im gonna do that again, and outline the flames with the mid-coat. It will definitly look better. Well any help would be great . Thanks

 

[TAZ]

Hold on there Mitch...

Before you do any stripping on us, let's make sure we have this right. You sprayed the base, now you are doing the flames in candy, so you sprayed the base for the candy flames, then applied the candy. You find that the color is too light, now...
on candy colors, sometimes this takes about 5 or so coats to cover and to get the right depth, the first couple of coats will look awful. So if you have applied about 5 coats, you will get a fairly thick edge. You should go ahead and work with this.

A couple of questions for you,
Is the candy color on the flames close to the color you saw on the color chip?

How many coats of candy did you apply?

It seems you are concerned with the edge, usually with candy flames it will be pretty thick.

Maybe you won't have to redo this job!
Hopefully not.

 

[ezrider]

Mitch, i am going to take it you used House of Kolor candy. you can darken or speed up the canding process by using Kandy intensifiers or concentrates. it is just a concentrated version of candy you can add to candies (or intercoat clear)

so you get the result you aree looking for with fever coats and that means less build.Kandy concentrates are fairly cheep, under $20 a bottle if i am not mistaken. i do recomende doing test panels when using candys, you will save your self alot of head aches in the long run

 

[Mitchb71]

The paint itself doesn't look anything like the chip... Well if i put a ton more coats on it would. But i have already put 4 coats of clear on just to try and cover the edge slightly. There are so many mils that you can still take your hands across it and catch it with your nail. I used PPG for this one Just cause i had the Base for it. From now on i will be using HOK for custom work. The color of the flames is ok, but not on the color of the tank. Its too pastel. To tell you the truth i don't think it would have turned the color i wanted now that i think about it. I just think it looks freakin stupid. I just had nine kinds of hell with this job. I think im gonna airbrush the midcoat for the flames. I Know it will look better.

 

[shaunboy]

MAKE SURE YOUR AIRBRUSH WILL BE ABLE TO SPRAY THE COLOR THOUGH.
IF YOUR CANDY HAS TOO COARSE FLAKES THE AIR BRUSH WONT PUSH THESE THROUGH PROPERLY.

 

[rex]

Mitch,you said you used PPG.Does this mean the candy too,and if so is it from a 3stage formula or hand made.I've yet to play with HOK,but alot of what I've seen is that HOK candy does come out different from the chip and more often than not a totally different color.Could be the sprayers,don't know.Scott and EZ are the experts here.I don't rely on PPG's formula candies.If I want one,I have the luxury of making my own and can adjust the strength at will,so I hand make them and do a test panel to get what I want.EZ's intensifyer suggestion is the best if you're using HOK,but Scott's right about the edge.A candy job can get thick on the order of 8+ mils of just paint.An average bc/cc job including primers is about 7-8.Add in multiple colors and clearing and a steel up job can get to 20 mils quick.No prob,just don't let it live in the sun.Today I stripped my tank that was recleared over the original finish to lose the decal edge and they had over 12 mils of clear over it.Only took me an hour and a half to do the areas allowed for chemical stripper.Ill probably have 45 minutes in sanding and blasting before I get it clean.Oh,a mil of paint is about .001".

 

[Mitchb71]

it was a hand made ppg candy. The only prob is that i don't have the luxury of adjusting my color at the moment. But ive already taken the DA and the 400 to it. So ill be repainting tommorrow.It only took me every bit of two and a half hours to get it where its at now.

 

[rex]

Since it's hand made,it's too weak.More coats will of coarse bring it around,but if you can get a little of the color they added to the clear you can add a LITTLE more to strengthen it up.

 

[capn]

FYI...I painted my rod with HOK Kandy Apple Red and it took about 6 coats to get it "chip" color. Looks great. I like the HOK paints.