HERE COMES SUPER CLEAR

[FLAME QUEEN]

Get this! have you heard of this new (i think it's new )clear that drys in 20min time ready for sanding AND buffing ! AND it's rep tells me , just today he was here,he says it's run proof AND no flash time for coats, he's coming back on monday to deminstraght (sp) it for me w0ow I really didn't know what to say to him but to please come and show i gota say wow again lol thanks for your time once again!!
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[flamethrower]

Run proof? This I gotta see. Keep us informed on how the demo goes. Sounds too good to be true. Thanks FQ!

FT

 

[magic]

It sounds like the same stuff the dupont guy here was peddeling about 5 or 6 months ago. it was dopont 4700s chroma clear/ hyper cure and it is dry and ready to go out the door in 45 min was the pitch, and it does lay down good but 2 big draw backs I had was cost around 150.00 a qt, and more than 2 coats and it turns a milky white. the rep said afterwards it is two coat max application its main use is for small spot jobs for body shops like a single fender or deck lid that you want to get out fast. one other draw back we had was after you open the activator it has a very short shelf life, max 2 weeks. it was cool but to costly and goes bad fast. The only positive we really liked was if you had a single color job like a tank or fender repair once you cleared it was ready to go. and about the won't run- if it comes out of the gun wet it can run. ask for a sample box its worth the freebee it has 1qt, pint of reducer, and activator, and try you luck at it and let us know your experience with it.

Magic

 

[DDG]

I use the Hyper Cure exclusively, the G2 4500 series, and have not experienced the problems Magic said. I lay 3-4 coats with no problems with it getting milky. I even called DuPont and a rep said you can go up to 4 coats but no more in a session.
And my activator lasts way over a month or longer, I haven't had it go bad yet. I even used stuff from last summer with no problems.
The difference between the 4500 and 4700 is about 3 minutes flash time and 1 hour cure time. The 4700 is for spot repairs or small objects and the 4500 is for overall jobs.
And a $150 a quart?? I think not! Try $160/gal.
I would recommend this clear to anyone who wants fast turn around with projects. I can clear a job by 11am and reclear at 2pm. My times are for air dry not force drying. It's nice when you need to get it done.
Dirt

 

[magic]

Hey Dirt,
what is the difference in the 4500 and 4700? also my bad experiences with may also have to do with climate, here when we last tried the 4700 it was over 100 degrees outside with very high humidity and you know how paint reps are i did not even know about the 4500 maybe i need to give it a shot, but anyway my bad experience does not make it bad all together hey for that matter i have probably had hok blow more paint jobs but I don't think any paint product exspecially automotive paints is bullet proof and it never fails just when you think you have it down it will do something weirder than the last time. But I am still a grass hopper trying to learn evey day and by the time I figure it all out they will change all the rules again or I will be dead by then. Anyway appreciate your honesty I learn something everyday.

 

[DDG]

The differences are as is:
4500s- 8-12 min flash between coats
3-5 hour air dry time
this is an overall and spot repair clear
4700s 7-10 min flash
1.5-2 hour air dry
this is a spot repair clear
force dry times are about the same, I think 12-15 min at 140 degress with a 2 hour cool down.
They no longer make the first generation.
They now start with G2, or generation 2.
They are great to work with and buff, I think rather easily, even after sitting a week.
I started out using the 4700s, and was blown away by the dry times. When I went to buy more all they had in stock was the 4500s.
They didn't know the difference but I read the back of the can and figured it out.
Flow out is good with an overreduced flow coat. I also use the Medium activator. 4508
They make a production (4507) cooler temp and an appearance (4509) higher temp activator.
I also use a medium temp reducer 12375s.
That's about it for the clear.
Hope this helps you out.
Dirt

 

[rex]

Boy has DuPont changed,the last I used it the 7000 series clear were 'it' and the 7600 was the fast stuff.These southern climates do tend to screw with things though,PPG had to come up with reducers like DT898 just for us so we weren't using so much retarder.I love the no run deal,when I first started painting I was told lacquer won't run,SOB if I didn't prove them wrong

 

[Duleyman]

Diamont makes a turbo clear, DC76 nr, used 6 to 1 with Their DH42 rapid hardener and 10 % reduced with ur40 I can sand and buff after 30 min. under a infrared lamp, Its great for spot repairs but It dyes back to much for a whole car. I use it daily over sherwin, dupont and diamont basecoats, its great for quick turn around.

 

[rmt1and1]

There is no such clear. He or She who holds the gun will also control the run. I've also used the Dupont Clears, in fact thats what I use most of the time. It is very good stuff, but nothing is perfect, especially a sales rep that peddles super clear. Most people who are good painters understand their products capabilities as well as their own, and what temps work best for their environments. I'm just trying to learn as much as I can from you guys too. You give super advice.

 

[tcannon]

I'd think that if the clear won't run, it's probably too thick to shoot through a spray gun. That Dupont fast setting clear is pretty good stuff if you're in a big hurry. It sells for about $150 per gal here ready to shoot. The best value I've found from Dupont is their Nason 496 Select Clear. It sprays really good, doesn't run very easy, can be recoated anytime, is not very aggressive (doesn't eat up the base coats, even lacquers) and is about $75 per gal ready to shoot. TC