I just painted some of HOK's flake yesterday for a customer who wants the West Coast Choppers "Sturgius Chopper" Blue flake with green flames. I've shot some of HOK's M-F Flake which is the mini version with pretty good succes. HOK''s Regular flake Kicks-*** !! This is the loudest stuff in the world. I put it over a black base, HOK suggests 1oz flake per qt. of mixed clear. I doubled it to 2oz of flake from my previous experience with their mini flake and threw 3 coats on and it looks Killer!! From what I read in the HOK tech book, it seems that putting flake over a light base you need to increase the amount of flake up to 3 times. Now, I think in theory that when the light hits a black base in between the flakes it makes the flakes shimmer from not only on top but from underneath also. When you look at the swatch by itself it doesn't look nearly as good as it does on a tank. If you want to wait about 3 weeks I had a meeting with a client last night and he saw the blue and wants to use the green flake for flames over black and white checkers. I love having clients stop bye when I have something a little unusual in my garage, paint jobs just sell themselves - Peace! ----- Bones!~