HOK Kandy Kuestion

BDsbigZRX

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2 parts candy to 1 part Catylist to 1 part reducer? I didn't realize HOK Kandy was a "one step" (more than just a paint and reducer, becuase it has catylist added to it) I would assume I can use DCX61 (PPG) catylist, and one of the DT870/DT885 reducers??? Can I dilute the mixture with a little extra DT to make it thinner and flow better, or is that not required? 5 to 6 medium wet coats?????!!!!!! Wow, is it that much?????

Thanks!
Bryan
 

ezrider

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Bryan, you shouldnt intermix systems like that stick with the same brand reducers and catylists. as far as the amounts of coats to get the desired effect, you can always add kandy koncentrate to the kandy to get faster coverage
 

BDsbigZRX

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I know I shouldn't, but I have never had any problem with it so far....... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/agree.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

rex

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I'd be leary of it,you might not have had a prob so far but if you get one down the road there's all the previous ones that might go too.The DT reducer probably wouldn't be bad (I wouldn't) but I wouldn't change out hardners.The story goes PPG supplied HOK the raw materias to make their products and were somewhat compatible but that was before Valspar took over.Everyone is tight lipped about it now.HOK also claims to have higher UV protection in their clear but I don't know how true it is.I'd follow EZ's advice.
 

BDsbigZRX

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PPG isnt any cheaper than HOK, so then why?

Well, primarily because I don't want to have 10 different brands of primers, reducers, catylists, accelerators, etc etc etc all laying around! I like to keep (as much as possible) with one particular line of products. I guess I'll get some HOK catylist, and just keep using the PPG DT reducers and clears.......

Thanks for the input!
Bryan
 

rex

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Hang on a minute now,don't go by my post.That's what I'd do but I haven't played with their candies.If anyone here knows better I'm sure they'll post.I know what you mean about having a ton of stuff around but I've seen some bad catalyst mishaps.Caused a few myself /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif
 

nooshie

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I have to agree with EZ and Rex on this one. I had a problems mixing products and the results were not fun. I mixed them for the same reason you did, but after sanding out perfectly good paint , ruined by not following directions I realized that it was cheaper to get the right stuff in the beginnig.

Good Luck
Nooshie /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
 
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John Pierce

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I don't think there is a great deal of difference between HOK and PPG reducers, but the catalysts are certainly quite different in viscosity, temperature range and recommended mix ratios.

I think it would be difficult to estimate how much PPG catalyst to use in a HOK product and you probably already know having too much/too little catalyst can totally screw your paint job.

Dontcha wish all these makers would put *exactly* all the the different chemicals and amounts on their labels?

JP
 

impact51

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I'm curious about something. Doesn't PPG make tints that you can add to their clear to make a candy out of it? Also I believe you are likely to have more success using a Kandy Kancentrate in a PPG clear with PPG chemicals etc etc to make your kandy. I use Hok all the time now, but when I first used HoK Kandy I added a Dupont clear coat catalyst in the mix and I had weird halo rings appear in the Kandy (not sure if i was the Dupont product, but if you call HoK Tech line they would automatically point the finger at that)...later i sprayed Kandy with all the HoK chemicals and things look great!
I usually buy HoK Kandy buy the quart when I'm doing a large job and will need more than one quart, because the make it by a formula, but if I'm painting a bike I mix some Kandy Koncentrates in enough clear to do all the parts and then while it's still tacky I shoot a couple coats of pure clear over the Kandy & yes it builds thick. One trick to keep things slightly thinner is to paint over a color base coat ie. Kandy Apple red over Cinder Red Metallic base coat. Helps the kandy red become a pure shade a red faster than painting over silver for example
 

rex

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Yeah,PPG has a range of dyes that's basically the same as the KK,it's called Radiance.You can also just add color to clear like the 3stage auto colors.You have to be careful what color or tint you use though because some won't spray well.The larger pigment colors mottle like crazy until you get a pile of coats on and it usually turns out darker than you wanted.
 
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