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What do those of you that spray in their garages do when it gets cold out? Do you guys use space heaters? Im in Cali so it doesnt get too cold during the day (about 50 to 60) But I still need some heat! Any ideas?
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big stinkie
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I live in Kansas...goes from 110 above to 20 below. Kinda brisk here in the winter, and so hot in the summer that once I saw a bird pick up a worm with a potholder . /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif
I know...a thousand comedians out of work and I'm trying to be funny. Sorry. On to business...
Anyway, I got ahold of a used, but serviceable house furnace. It was already set up for propane, so I simply sat it in the corner of my shop, had the propane guys do the plumbing (didn't want to screw up the propane and have my garage fly away in a ball of fire!) and wired it up myself. Stuck a 90 degree angled deflector on the top, and in about 15 minutes it's hotter than a Bessemer Steel Converter in there !
For you safety guys out there, I always turn it off and unplug the unit from the AC line before spraying. Paint fumes/dust can cause things to go "puh-WHUMP" when ignited, quickly removing all windows, doors, and much of the roof from the structure.
Now I'm looking for an equally cheap (as in FREE) central A/C unit for the summer.
Now that I think of it, it's only comfortable in Kansas for a few days twice a year. That's when it's on its way from too cold to too hot, and visa versa.
Again, sorry for the wild ramblings. It's almost 2:00 AM here at work, and I've got 2 more hours to go. These 12 hour days are killers. I'm getting giddy from sleep deprivation.
Andy aka Big Stinkie
I know...a thousand comedians out of work and I'm trying to be funny. Sorry. On to business...
Anyway, I got ahold of a used, but serviceable house furnace. It was already set up for propane, so I simply sat it in the corner of my shop, had the propane guys do the plumbing (didn't want to screw up the propane and have my garage fly away in a ball of fire!) and wired it up myself. Stuck a 90 degree angled deflector on the top, and in about 15 minutes it's hotter than a Bessemer Steel Converter in there !
For you safety guys out there, I always turn it off and unplug the unit from the AC line before spraying. Paint fumes/dust can cause things to go "puh-WHUMP" when ignited, quickly removing all windows, doors, and much of the roof from the structure.
Now I'm looking for an equally cheap (as in FREE) central A/C unit for the summer.
Now that I think of it, it's only comfortable in Kansas for a few days twice a year. That's when it's on its way from too cold to too hot, and visa versa.
Again, sorry for the wild ramblings. It's almost 2:00 AM here at work, and I've got 2 more hours to go. These 12 hour days are killers. I'm getting giddy from sleep deprivation.
Andy aka Big Stinkie
Hey stinkie! How's it going?Indiana is the same or worse than Kansas in the winter,Lots of lake effect snow.The older i get,the more I hate winter. I'm gonna do a motorhome this winter in a section of my Dad's quanset building.I have to build a large 2x2 and plastic wall. And was going to try and find a furnace to do the same.I was wondering if bringing outside air for the intake would work any better?I work 12 hr days too but,only 15 days a month,we rotate from nights to days every 4monthsThe days get long but, I love the time off!How's your back holding up with that beautiful hardtail you got? Jim /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif
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Hey Jim!
We don't get the snow here like you guys do. I prefer rain...it goes away by itself. Then again, I've never had my basement fill up with snow.
A motorhome? That's gonna be a lot of paint. Someday I'd like to try a big project like that. Just make sure you make your flames bigger than you would for a bike. Can you imagine how much work it'd be to flame a whole motorhome with 'bike size' flames?
I thought about piping in fresh air for the furnace for just that reason, but when I realized that the burners and electronics for it are still inside with the fumes, I figured I'd opt for the easy way and just shut it down during painting.
An ideal method would be to have the furnace in an adjoining room and merely pipe the heated air into the painting area. I'd have to build a little out-building it I was to do that. It might not be a bad idea. Shouldn't cost too much to crank out a 4X6 building and wire it. Might be another project for this winter!
Still no back problems from the hardtail. I take it pretty easy. The most I've put on it in one day is 300 miles. That's plenty. Didn't get to ride near as much as I wanted to this year. (Do any of us get to do that???) Tomorrow (Sunday) it's supposed to be in the mid 70s and clear, and there is a bike ride taking place for SIDS. (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.) First nice day in a few weeks and I have to work! Looks like in another week or two I'm going to tear mine down and start painting it for next year. Gonna be black this time. Black bikes are scarier than bikes of other colors. I don't think that the Terminator would have been nearly as impressive riding a bright red bike like mine. Once I get it painted black, all I need to do is grow about 3 inches, put on 75 pounds of muscle, get some dark sunglasses and I'll look just like 'Ahhnold' did in T2...except for facial features and the hair. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Jeesh...I got plenty of sleep last night and I'm still rambling!
Later,
Andy aka Big Stinkie
We don't get the snow here like you guys do. I prefer rain...it goes away by itself. Then again, I've never had my basement fill up with snow.
A motorhome? That's gonna be a lot of paint. Someday I'd like to try a big project like that. Just make sure you make your flames bigger than you would for a bike. Can you imagine how much work it'd be to flame a whole motorhome with 'bike size' flames?
I thought about piping in fresh air for the furnace for just that reason, but when I realized that the burners and electronics for it are still inside with the fumes, I figured I'd opt for the easy way and just shut it down during painting.
An ideal method would be to have the furnace in an adjoining room and merely pipe the heated air into the painting area. I'd have to build a little out-building it I was to do that. It might not be a bad idea. Shouldn't cost too much to crank out a 4X6 building and wire it. Might be another project for this winter!
Still no back problems from the hardtail. I take it pretty easy. The most I've put on it in one day is 300 miles. That's plenty. Didn't get to ride near as much as I wanted to this year. (Do any of us get to do that???) Tomorrow (Sunday) it's supposed to be in the mid 70s and clear, and there is a bike ride taking place for SIDS. (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.) First nice day in a few weeks and I have to work! Looks like in another week or two I'm going to tear mine down and start painting it for next year. Gonna be black this time. Black bikes are scarier than bikes of other colors. I don't think that the Terminator would have been nearly as impressive riding a bright red bike like mine. Once I get it painted black, all I need to do is grow about 3 inches, put on 75 pounds of muscle, get some dark sunglasses and I'll look just like 'Ahhnold' did in T2...except for facial features and the hair. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Jeesh...I got plenty of sleep last night and I'm still rambling!
Later,
Andy aka Big Stinkie
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tiller2nv
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Thanks for the info guys! Ok another question. Once you get the temp up how do you work with a draft to suck the fumes out? How do you keep it warm?
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big stinkie
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My shop is about 24X32, and it's attached to the house. I use an old furnace fan to suck out the air, but I don't crack the window(s) wide open...usually just about 6 inches each and it provides enough airflow without pulling all the heated air out right away. When the wife isn't around, I've been known to open the door to the house and suck the air from the living area of the house through my shop. It stays warm for a longer time that way. She'd shoot me with a bazooka if she found out, so keep it under your hat.
It can get kinda cool inside afterwards (50 degrees or so,) but that's the ambient air temperature. I'm sure that the temp on the surface of the item you're painting is still reasonably warm. I crank up the furnace once the fumes and paint dust is gone, which is usually less than 30 minutes. It doesn't seem to me that it could hurt the paint. I haven't had any problems so far, anyway.
Whadda you pros think? Rex? Scott? EZ?
Andy aka Big Stinkie
It can get kinda cool inside afterwards (50 degrees or so,) but that's the ambient air temperature. I'm sure that the temp on the surface of the item you're painting is still reasonably warm. I crank up the furnace once the fumes and paint dust is gone, which is usually less than 30 minutes. It doesn't seem to me that it could hurt the paint. I haven't had any problems so far, anyway.
Whadda you pros think? Rex? Scott? EZ?
Andy aka Big Stinkie
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tiller2nv
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Hahaha sounds like something I would do if she wasnt around! lol. I havent tried painting yet in this kind of temp but I just wanted to get a good idea for when I do. Thanks again for your help guys!
Stinkie,It's funny you mention flames on the motorhome,his first ideas were it looking like a flaming comet coming to earth! Black base,white,orange,red,with flames! After a few months,I got him talked into two or three tone with swirls like a modern coach.Stll gonna be alot for me but,since it will be in sections,I think I can do it with decent results.Can you image something like that pulling into Stugis or Daytona with Ozzy's "crazy train" playing !we laughed about that one for awhile til Ithough about trying to paint it.He saw my bike and car and thinks I'm a painter now,People don't realize how many differant things there are to learn like blends,fades,mettalics,pearls etc.Just beacuse you can do a solid color with flames,doesn't mean you can do anything.I really like messing with this stuff and with the help from the folks on this boardi I hope to try many differant things.
Anyway,when i did my HOK epoxy in winter,I opened the door to let the fumes out and reheated the garage,the ony thing was the fumes from the thinner bleeding out all night,filled the house with the smell of a body shop.Wife wasn't real happy about that! I have one duct going to my attached 22x24 garage.If I close some of the vents in the house,I can get it to 75 without a problem.As long as you don't shock the newly sprayed paint,I don't think it hurts.
Anyway,when i did my HOK epoxy in winter,I opened the door to let the fumes out and reheated the garage,the ony thing was the fumes from the thinner bleeding out all night,filled the house with the smell of a body shop.Wife wasn't real happy about that! I have one duct going to my attached 22x24 garage.If I close some of the vents in the house,I can get it to 75 without a problem.As long as you don't shock the newly sprayed paint,I don't think it hurts.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading thru this guys,damn it Andy,soda burns going thru the nostrils /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gifDon't worry much about the temp dropping some as long as it warms back up over 60 when the fumes are gone.As Jim said,I wouldn't want wild temp swings but a 20 or 30 degree slow fluctuation won't hurt,just remember as it cools a heavy spot might slide or sag.Jim,don't worry about the pearls and stuff,if your spray technique is good it goes on like everything else.Small fades like outlining flames isnt hard either with a steady hand,it's the large fades and blending spot jobs that takes practice.Oh,if your pearls are an individual coat like candy make sure you walk the whole length of the object,you can't just do a fender,then the door etc like you normally would on a car.
I have a 10 X12 neg. pressure booth in my garage.
What I do is place a propane space heater outside the booth in front of the intake filters.
I made a visqueen (plastic sheet) drape over the heater attached to the top edge of the booth. Then I adjust temp. by simply adjusting the drape to allow more or less heat to escape the top. Works like a charm, I can adjust temp within about 2 degrees and maintain a 40 degree temp. spread fro the outside temp.
This way I can have heat while spraying.
Good luck,
Mike
What I do is place a propane space heater outside the booth in front of the intake filters.
I made a visqueen (plastic sheet) drape over the heater attached to the top edge of the booth. Then I adjust temp. by simply adjusting the drape to allow more or less heat to escape the top. Works like a charm, I can adjust temp within about 2 degrees and maintain a 40 degree temp. spread fro the outside temp.
This way I can have heat while spraying.
Good luck,
Mike
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big stinkie
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Hmmmmmm. That's a heck of a good idea. Might have to try something like that.
Thanks for the idea! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bigokay.gif
Andy
Thanks for the idea! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bigokay.gif
Andy
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GAcustoms
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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bigokay.gif a 18x20 cinder block room with a single shop fan on the back wall, with a door in the front and a kerosene master 150 btu floor heater, I use the door and fan as a block to regulate the heat you can adjust the fan if it gets to hot............works well for me
