Torch red starts with a 850J red base,then a burgandy and dull orange is added to make torch red,just shot the red base without the other colors,it looks orange under certain light.I shot it over grey primer,it reccomended a white base.If you look at the lower left picture of the viper,you'll see the orange I'm talking about.The red base looked redder than the color chip but,still has that orange look.Whichever you choose,maybe shooting over a white sealer or base is the answer!