Metalflake under candy question

[kxmotox247]

In the past, my father and I have spruced up some of our candy paint jobs by adding a little metalflake to the first 2 coats of kandy. We use a silver mini flake and it really sparkles in the sun. Pretty cool looking under apple red, cobalt blue, or magenta.
I was wondering what might happen if I switched color of flakes...what if I used a blue flake under cobalt blue? Would the kandy camoflauge any effect that the blue flake might have had? What about rainbow flake? Would I be able to see the rainbow flake under the candy at all? What do you guys think?

 

[rex]

The candy will change the effect of the flake but how much depends.It comes down to the dreaded answer we all hate to do,a test panel.I'm fixing to try that scenario with a few expensive things to come up with an idea I'm looking for.

 

[kxmotox247]

Yeah...materials are expensive for a hobbyist. Especially the jars of flake. If I did a test panel for every idea I have for my new bike, I'd be busy shooting panels for the next 6 months. But it really is the only way to do it.
If I go with some variation of this idea, I'll be sure to report back to you guys.
Thanks!

 

[robert.tallon]

My experience with kandies and metalics.... the candy generally will control the color of the metalic depending on the number on coats (kandy) applied. Depending on the size of the flake will also depend on the dominance involved. The more flake applied the more the flake will dominate in sunlight. Sometimes the flake, if applied enough will dampen the color of the transparent Kandy. Remember, Kandy is nothing more than a tinted clear that allows for colors to be seen. Since Kandies are hard to apply evenly, metalics generally make it easier to use. That's why most Kandies when applied, use a metalic base in the first place.

 

[kxmotox247]

Thanks...that's kind of what I was wondering. I guess I'll just have to do either a test panel or chance it entirely. I wonder what kandy cobalt blue over pure silver flake flames would look like??? I bet it will sparkly more than the same blue over just a silver base like the orion silver BC-02.
Thanks!!!

 

[Bornhard]

I applied Kandy Apple Red over some HoK red flake flames.

You can see the flakes, but they sort of vanish at different angles, but in the Sun the flames pop out and sparkle like an SoB. The red flake is a darker shade of red too than it's original color.

Also the HoK color swatch book will show you and give you an idea of what color kandy looks like over what color metallic base coat, so you can sort of imagine what color metal flake will look like under what kandy you spray.

 

[rex]

KX,the flake will be much more vivid than than the silver.I've never been much for an unnatural contrast so between you and Joe's post I think what would look great is a flake of the candy color for the main color with the silver flake for flames,then candy it all-no wild dimentional shift in the base reflection like a pearl and a flake but it sure will stand out.

Joe,you got the new chip book yet?Still haven't ordered mine yet.

 

[kxmotox247]

I wonder what size flake would look the best...for the main color...and for the flames. Maybe mini-flake for the base color and larger silver flake for the flames?

 

[rex]

I personally would use one of the smaller flakes,maybe the 2nd smallest or next larger but use the same size for both.That's just my taste though.Your idea of larger on the flame would really be an eye catching contrast and grab your attention-in a good way if that's what you're looking for.What would also look cool is a sprinkling of rainbow flake either over just the flames or over both flakes before the candy.Just a subtle pizzaz for it all.Or,replace the rainbow flake with crushed glass like HOK's ice pearls or PPG's Prismatique.Ok,I'm shutting up,the expense keeps climbing as I ramble.Keep us up to date though with the project.

 

[kxmotox247]

Hmmmm...I've been thinking about it all weekend. Still haven't made the final decision yet. I'm going to try to decide tonight.
We've had some bad luck with the ice pearls. We were shooting a street rod with kandy apple red and we mixed a little of the ice pearl in the first 2 coats. About the time we reached our 5th coat, we started noticing all of these little dark spots everywhere. After speaking with HoK's tech line, we determined that the ice pearl actually clumped up and wicked the toner right out of the candy causing the dark spots and lightening the candy surrounding the spots. It was a disaster. That's a lot of paint and money to have to sand off. The only positive way of looking at an experience like that is the car was really dead smooth after all the sanding. That's one heck of a guide coat!!!!

 

[rex]

That didn't sound good at all.If I were to do it I'd put the crushed glass in some intercoat clear to blow over the flake and then candy over that coat.Hurry up,make up your mind.