Paint Edge / Clearing Question

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BonesFX

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This last paint job I'm working on now is Kickin my A** - Let me explian what I've got going on here.

This is a 1999 Harley Standard (it has 10 parts to it) I've done all the bodywork, shaved rivets, streched the tanks with a weld on kit, shaved the rear fender and added a flush LED light.

The guy that owns this bike wants it to be something a little different than your regular flame job, but none the less wants flames in it somewhere. So we decided that we would have a Black base that would be shredded or ripped so that the very front of each piece would be black then the rips would tip halfway back.

Second, we came up with the idea of a checkered back ground of white and black and then dust some silver pearl over that to help break it up from the main black rips.

Third, we still needed to add the flames and what kind of flames - I came up with the idea of kandy flames (brandwine) that would be shot without the base so that they would be transparent coming from underneath the black rips and over the checkers. Then a last minute idea was to add HOK silver mini-flake to the first 2 coats of the kandy then just regular kandy on the last 2 coats to help burry the silver flake and give it great depth.

So I shot the black base (3 coats hok) then laid out the rips and checkes at the same time (masking tape and transfer tape) and cut out both and only pulled the checkers that I wanted to be white (shot 3 coats of white). Pulled all the black checkers and then shot 2 coats of SG100 with a ghost silver pearl added the 2 more coats SG100 for protection and to scuff for the flames. Laid out the flames with 3M blue line and masked - shot 4 total coats of kandy - Unmasked everything - added some airbrush work - drop shadows... --

Now - here's the hard part - -I lay down 4-5 coats of PPG Global clear - last night I'm sandin down the edges to get them flatter before I pinstripe the rips and I still have a paint edge from hell -- My question is - should I have done this differently to help eliminate the huge paint edge - maybe cleared in between the different steps. OR - When some of you shoot kandy flame (5-7 coats) how much clear are you laying on top of that?? Sorry this is so long, but I just wanted to explain it as good as possible -- Thanx!~ ----- Bones!~
 
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BonesFX

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Thanx EZ -- I was hoping for an easier way - But I guess the old fashioned way is the only way to get it right -- How many of you other painters have to double or even triple clear coat?? Like on a Kandy job with 3 coats of base and 4 - 6 coats of Kandy --- I know I'm bitchin' - I just hate wet sanding!!!!
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ezrider

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Bones, some times it takes more than 3 clear sessions, i have a patriotic type job in the works that i bet you will have no less than 4 clear sessions. one session for leveling out the 2 colored back ground so no edges are seen in the next layer, the flames, then depending on if the customer wants it all out lined which is another layer then flow coating if all else goes well. when i price a job i think about all the sanding that will be required not just the artwork and materials.
 
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BonesFX

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I'm with ya EZ -- It's not the money thing, I haven't given the guy a finished price yet - but he knows he's in the 2000.00 - 2800.00 range. And he's not worried about it - just wants it to look good. I was just askin to see if anyone else does that amout of clearing - and sanding -- OH I can feel the pain already!!!!!!
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Peace!~
 
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John Pierce

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I'm with you on that noise Bones -- I just did a job where I laid down black base, 2 coats Intercoat, 2 coats blueblood red for pinstripe, 2 coats intercoat, 3 coats green metallic and 5 coats Pagon gold Kandy....

I did 3 coats UC35, sanded and then 3 coats UFC35 sanded again -- still had a friggin edge that you could see from 10 feet away
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ended up putting 3 coats more and sanding my *** off! I figure I put 9 coats of clear on but with all the sanding it really ended up being about 3 coats total.

It IS totally smooth though!

HA!
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ezrider

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Bones, i clear and then level out the art work on multiple graphic jobs. just reclear and block out again, it may take 2 more sesions just to level out the art work before flow coating.
 
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TWISTED

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When I am layering graffix I try to knock down the edge before the next graphic goes on.
 

rex

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Isn't this stuff fun
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I don't like all that sanding either but it goes with the job unless you can con someone into doing it for you.
 
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