Prepping new tanks and fenders

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bundy

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Just got new tanks and fenders, they are bare metal. I purchased an etching primer and a primer/surfacer. My question is, when should I do the bondo, before I use the etching primer or after. The tank has a few dings and wrinkles from the press that need to be smoothed out. I wasnt sure If I should apply the bondo or primer first, so I was hoping someone here could help me out.

Thanks,

Greg
 

rex

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Welcome.You're in a slight jamb here,you need one more primer (epoxy) or lose the etch primer.You can clean all the oil off and sand or grind the steel and then go with bondo but you won't need the etch primer because you can't mud over it.This isn't the best way to do it either.Ideally you should clean the steel,sand it,etch prime it and epoxy it.Then you can mud over the epoxy.What you can do is trade the etch primer for epoxy,and it will stick just fine to the steel as long as it's clean and sanded with something like 80 or 120 grit.Bondo will kind of stick to the surfacer but you'll never get it to let loose from the epoxy.In PPG's line the green DP40 is the best over bare steel because it has the highest concentration of zinc compared to the others,and don't use white over steel.After the bondo is final sanded use the surfacer to fill the scatches and block it out.I usually finish my bondo off in something around 150 grit,block it with 180-240 and reprime it.Sometimes I'll reblock it with 240-320 and reprime it.My final sanding is 400 dry on a DA and by hand or 600 wet but I don't really like wetsanding,let alone over porous material like surfacers and if you sand through to the bondo it really soaks up water and takes a while to dry.After this sanding I seal and paint it.
 
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DenB.

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into the details rex?
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Jim

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Rex has always been one of the guys who totally desrcibes what he's talkin about,I wish more people would go into detail like that!Keep up the good work Rex! over 1000 posts,wow!
 

rex

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Yeah,I know,I ramble after a few.I deserved it though,I was good all weekend and haven't been in the weekly doghouse for at least 2 weeks
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tcannon

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Don't forget to seal the inside of the tank first. I use a local radiator shop to seal the tanks. They use that red plastic coating but you can use the Kreem or other tank sealers. Sometimes those welds have pin holes that will ruin a good paint job. TC
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bundy

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Originally posted by rex:
Welcome.You're in a slight jamb here,you need one more primer (epoxy) or lose the etch primer.You can clean all the oil off and sand or grind the steel and then go with bondo but you won't need the etch primer because you can't mud over it.This isn't the best way to do it either.Ideally you should clean the steel,sand it,etch prime it and epoxy it.Then you can mud over the epoxy.What you can do is trade the etch primer for epoxy,and it will stick just fine to the steel as long as it's clean and sanded with something like 80 or 120 grit.Bondo will kind of stick to the surfacer but you'll never get it to let loose from the epoxy.In PPG's line the green DP40 is the best over bare steel because it has the highest concentration of zinc compared to the others,and don't use white over steel.After the bondo is final sanded use the surfacer to fill the scatches and block it out.I usually finish my bondo off in something around 150 grit,block it with 180-240 and reprime it.Sometimes I'll reblock it with 240-320 and reprime it.My final sanding is 400 dry on a DA and by hand or 600 wet but I don't really like wetsanding,let alone over porous material like surfacers and if you sand through to the bondo it really soaks up water and takes a while to dry.After this sanding I seal and paint it.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So basically I can rough sand the bare metal, apply DP40, Mud, DP40, Apply a primer/surfacer and then apply my base coat? I painted mt street rod with very little knowledge of proper process and it turned out awesome. But, I'm doing this for a friend and I dont want to mess it up...

Greg

REX, I really appreciate your deatiled help, you are an assett to this board...
 
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FLAME QUEEN

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Rex when I found this board I found you with out your
input I don't know how this board could get a long .
 

rex

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Thanx guys,someone has to love me I suppose.Sorry Greg,I've been scarce.I put the DP down over 80 grit or so scratches in the metal,wait overnight for it to dry then mud it up.If I get alot of bare metal around the mudwork I p!ss a little more DP just on the metal after I red Scotchbrited the first application of DP.After around an hour it's dry enough to topcoat so then I use the primer surfacer over the bodywork.I don't like to cover my bodywork with DP because it stays so soft and can shrink in later leaving a shaddow of whatever grit you finished off your mud with.Once your primer surfacer has been blocked and reprimed for the last sanding you can usually base right over it,but double check,for example it isn't recommended to put PPG black base over NCP255 without sealing.K36 and K93 double as sealers as well as DP thinned down,but DP isn't the best choice.Hope this helped.
 
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