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minichopp

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\"RUNS\"

Well i started to shoot my tins, and when i shot the gold flake I got runs all over the place, I don't know if its because I sprayed the coat on too thick or what I did wrong, but on the front fender it just looks like everything is sagging down. If someone could give me some input I would appreciate it. Thanx in advance
 

Stretch

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Re: \"RUNS\"

Shooting things on too thick seems like the probably cause. What sort of gun did you use? What tip size? Did you mix the gold flake with intercoat clear or a catalyzed clear?

-Stretch
 
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TAZ

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Re: \"RUNS\"

Possibly you used regular clear and you put it on too heavy?
 
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minichopp

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Re: \"RUNS\"

Thanx guys for the responces, I'm using hok uc35 clear, I think its because im putting it on too heavy, I have a tendancy to go a little heavy, I'm just gonna sand it down a little and see if I can fix it. Thanx again' if anybody has any tips for me, feel free to let me know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
 

hoss

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Re: \"RUNS\"

remember that each of the recommended coats are for a reason, the first is to tack up the surface(something to stick to), and the next few are to straiten out and flat'n the surface. I have to remind myself of this each time i go to clearcoat.

touch the clear in a unseen spot, if it strings, it's not ready. If it shows your fingerprint, and is a little tacky it's ready.
 
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minichopp

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Well I wet sanded the front fender down with 600 and i reshot the gold base, and all I got was orange peel all over the place. I don't know what is going on, I'm using an HVLP gun, maybe its my air pressure, I don't know. I'm new to all of this and I don't have anybody to show me what I'm doing wrong, I just go by what I learn on this site. I'm about to take the DA to it and just start over. What is my air pressure supposed to read on the regulator on my gun? Thanx for all the help, if anybody has any tips for me that can help me out, I would really appreciate it, I don't mean to be such a pain in the ass. Thanx everybody for being so patient with my stupid ??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif
 

Stretch

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If you didn't bury the gold flake after you sprayed it, it's likely that anything following the flake will look like orange peel. Your flakes will really give an uneven surface so after you've sprayed them you need to 'bury' the flake with a few wet coats of clear.

If you buried the flake and you've got orange peel it's probably an air issue. What gun, tip, pressure settings are you using?

-Stretch
 
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minichopp

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Re: \"RUNS\"

I'm using an hvlp gun that I picked up at advanced auto for like a hundred bucks, I think its an am-pro or something like that, its nothing great, it came with a 1.5 tip, and I'm not sure about pressure. What should my pressure on the regulator on my gun read? I know it's not an issue of burying the flake, cause I sanded all that down, and I could see that its orange peel, cause its really bad. Should I take the DA to it and start over, or what do you think? Thanx Stretch /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif
 

Stretch

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From the sounds of things I'd sand it all and start over. Sanding flake is never a good idea so you should start from scratch. The gun should have had some sort of manual that says it needs 'X' psi at the handle to give 'y' psi at the air cap. I'd bet it's somewhere around 30psi at the gun handle. If you've got a regulator/guage at the gun handle, leave it wide open and then adjust the regulator on your compressor so you get the required psi.

Here's a post from Rex (I think, coulda been someone else) that I copied from the old forums. I couldn't find it on this new board.Hopefully it's some help.

-Stretch


Your most important issue is air supply.Not only do you need a compressor to keep a constant psi but volume is just as important,especially with HVLPs.The days of 1/4" airline and fittings are pretty much gone,you need the volume that 3/8 line and fittings supply to atomize these hi-solid voc compliant clears properly.You can work around it but it's work and aggrevation you don't need and can cause problems like solvent popping and dieback from hosing it on thicker to achieve flow-and we're not getting into temp reducers or mixing.Also,at-the-gun regulators can throw a kink in your airflow by necking down your 3/8 line to 1/4 negating the extra money spent on the larger hose and fittings.If you run a regulator like I prefer to do buy a good one with large holes and run it wide open,adjusting the pressure at the wall regulator.This way you have full volume working for you but if you need to back down for any tight areas like some of these #@*&$^ bumpers you're not feathering the trigger with full pressure blowing puddles in the clear as you try to layer it up wet.If you don't want a regulator you can do the waterhose trick in these instances,fold it in half and squeeze.I don't do it because it breaks down the inner core prematurely.Speaking of that,getting odd sized black chunks in your paint and the hose is a few years old?That's a good posibility.

To set up your gun takes a few minutes but saves a ton of grief.HVLPs benefit from the use of an aircap guage to dial in the inlet pressure so you have the recommended aircap presure-usually 10psi.The prob is they're expensive so the following setup works,you just need to play more with inlet pressure.Also,don't be surprised if you excede the inlet pressure to achieve results,I've seen HVLPs take 5 or more psi inlet pressure than advertised as max to acheive that 10psi cap pressure with an aircap guage.So,the first thing to do is get a large sheet of paper,chunk of sheetmetal,anything to throw patterns on and lots of them.Now mix up 6 or so ounces of the material the gun is used for.What you're going to do is throw a pattern check on the surface (and verticle so hang the paper etc. on the wall) ,with the pattern adjustment and fluid adjustment wide open ,with a full pull of the trigger and complete release all in one motion,no run the air and then pull the fluid through-off,full trigger,off.Don't look at your pattern,look at the size of the droplets on the edge of the pattern.What you're trying to adjust is the droplet size to be the smallest possible.Initially all you want to do is play with your inlet pressure and fluid flow while basically maintaining your pattern.Once you get a small droplet and your inlet pressure is within range for the product specs and the fluid is a respectable setting you can adjust your pattern knob in a little to even out an hourglass pattern.If you really have to run in your pattern knob alot you're probably choked in too far on the fluid so come out some,don't sacrifice a wet,nice pattern for the ultimete small droplets.HVLPs are going to take a little longer for this process without an aircap guage because you'll be experimenting in unknown ranges and adjustments.For example,a sata Jet90 might be running 10psi over max inlet with the fluid choked down to 40% and be good.

Test #2 is your wetness.Turn your aircap 1/4 turn for a horizontal pattern and with the same trigger stroke blow a pattern for 1 second with full trigger pull and release.Now watch the drips.You should get basically an even paint slide the length of the pattern.If it's faintly heavier in the middle it will fly but go back and tweak it to try to get it even from end to end.An older gun wont always adjust out but a new one should be dripping evenly end to end.

The reason you want small paint drops is coverage and flow.Think of it as trying to cover your floor with oranges or bowling balls.The oranges will cover with less coats,be thinner,and lay flatter than the bowling ballsNow,if you take this from the sealer and add in basecoat and clear you can see why at the end it'll work out nicer,using the bowling balls you're piling it on and exagerating orange peel (no pun intended) from start to finish way in excess of the smaller orange droplets.Hope this helps and feel free to add in everything I missed.
 
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minichopp

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Thanx for the tips stretch, I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow. I'm just gonna start over. Let me just get all my steps right, 1st I shoot my primer, then do I have to wet sand that before I shoot my base, or will there be enough bite without sanding? Then I shoot my gold base, but how many coats should I shoot, and should I wetsand between each coat? Then I have to shoot my gold flake, how many coats of flake? I know that I don't sand the flake, so now I'm ready for my topcoat which is candy apple red, now, do I wetsand between each coat or what should I do? After my topcoat I was going to mask some flames, and shoot those in gold flake, then I know, I bury everything with my topcoat clear. Thanx for all the help, and again I'm sorry for all the dumb ??? I just want this to come out right, and look good on top of it. Remember, I have no type of schooling and I don't work in a body shop, or anything like that, and I don't know anybody that does, so you've been like my teacher hear, so thanx again, I really do appreciate it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
 

Stretch

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Re: \"RUNS\"

Read all of your tech sheets for the paint you're using. Sounds like you've chosen quite the project to be testing stuff on. Make sure you have your flaked buried and sanded smooth or your Kandy will be blotchy. I'd get your air issues worked out too before trying to get the kandy to lay smooth.

Good luck-Stretch
 
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minichopp

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Thanx Stretch, yeah, its a pretty intracate paint job for a beginner like myself, but if I can get it right it will look awesome when its done. It's an extra set of tins so it really doesn't matter, I already have a nice paint job on the bike now, so whatever. Thanx for all your help, I really do apreciate it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
 
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minichopp

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Well, you were right about the air pressure, thats deffinately what the problem was.I adjusted everything, and it came out beautiful (so far). I would love to post a pic on here to show you, but I can't figure out how, so if someone could let me know how to post pics I would appreciate it. Everytime I try to post in the members site, it tells me that the file is too big and I need to make it smaller, or something like that. Thanx to all thos that have helped me get through this whole thing /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yay.gif
 

LudicrousSpeed

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Try registering at one of the online photo hosts, like photobucket.

You store your photos there and jus tlink to them by using the img tag
 
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