I have done ragging off or sponging off with walls in the house but I would like to try this on my bike. I would like to put down a metal flake gold base and then use Kandy red over that. What I was thinking was to put on about 3 to 4 heavy coats of Kandy and while it is still very wet take something to rag if off. Not sure what to use as of yet that will not leave anything behind. But has this been done before and does it work very well. If it has what would be the right way of doing it?
Will this work?
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hoss
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i think that would be a mess.
you might use a sponge instead of a rag.
what i'd do is take the silver base and use a black or darker paint to sponge on then kandi it in what ever color you want. i think it'd be good in a graphic, but not a hole paint job. if you want something cool, get a marbleizer or something.
remember do a test pannel first!
you might use a sponge instead of a rag.
what i'd do is take the silver base and use a black or darker paint to sponge on then kandi it in what ever color you want. i think it'd be good in a graphic, but not a hole paint job. if you want something cool, get a marbleizer or something.
remember do a test pannel first!
Well just to start I will let you know I am not a painter. I have dabbled in it a bit over the years and did splash a few cars here and there but by no means a painter. I have a friend that owned a body shop and used to go there and help out prepping cars and doing minor body work. I have never done any custom painting and well I would like to try it on my bike. What the heck if it doesn’t turn out I will just sand it down and take it to someone to paint. I always like to be different don’t like having what everyone else has so I have this thought in my brain just not sure if it would work in the real world. I will be putting tribal flames on the tank and fenders so that will take up a lot of space. I just would like something different for a background. I do not plan on using a rag that just would make a huge mess but was leaning toward a sponge or maybe a ball of sir ram wrap. It would have to be a pretty large porous sponge and one that does not react to thinners. What ever I use I think it would have to be damp and not dry. So would keep it damp with thinners but not real wet. How I was thinking of doing this would be
1) Lay down a Gold metallic base
2) Couple coats of clear
3) wet sand
4) Mask off flames
5) Spray 1 real heavy heavy coat of Red Kandy with maybe a little bit of the gold metallic mixed in
6) Sponge off while real wet
7) 2 or 3 coats of clear maybe add some red pearl to one of those coats
8) Unmask flames
9) Wet sand
10) Mask off back ground and thinly airbrush black shadowing around the edges of the flames.
11) Couple coats of clear
12) Unmask job and wet sand
13) Spray 3 to 4 coats of Kandy Red over entire job
14) 3 to 4 coats of clear
What I am hoping for here is a slightly darker background with some kind of texture look to it and flames that are slightly lighter with no texture look but just a little bit darker around the edges. And a paint job that would look real deep. I think I am going to test this out on something first but would like to hear some input on what anyone would have to say about it and what I would be doing wrong or how I could do something better.
Hoss you mentioned marbleizer, that sounds very interesting. What does that consist of?
Thanks
Bruce McMillan
1) Lay down a Gold metallic base
2) Couple coats of clear
3) wet sand
4) Mask off flames
5) Spray 1 real heavy heavy coat of Red Kandy with maybe a little bit of the gold metallic mixed in
6) Sponge off while real wet
7) 2 or 3 coats of clear maybe add some red pearl to one of those coats
8) Unmask flames
9) Wet sand
10) Mask off back ground and thinly airbrush black shadowing around the edges of the flames.
11) Couple coats of clear
12) Unmask job and wet sand
13) Spray 3 to 4 coats of Kandy Red over entire job
14) 3 to 4 coats of clear
What I am hoping for here is a slightly darker background with some kind of texture look to it and flames that are slightly lighter with no texture look but just a little bit darker around the edges. And a paint job that would look real deep. I think I am going to test this out on something first but would like to hear some input on what anyone would have to say about it and what I would be doing wrong or how I could do something better.
Hoss you mentioned marbleizer, that sounds very interesting. What does that consist of?
Thanks
Bruce McMillan
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TAZ
Guest
I agree with Hoss!
I wouldn't do it. I don't think it would come out the way you think it would.
Work your base color and your effect, THEN add your candy.
If you want a lighter candy, use silver as a base. If you want a darker, use a charcoal or a black pearl.
If you want some flames with texture, just use a black with silver marbleizer, then coat the complete job with candy red.
Don't mess with the candy. The real thin spots will be pink.
:luck:
:cheers:
I wouldn't do it. I don't think it would come out the way you think it would.
Work your base color and your effect, THEN add your candy.
If you want a lighter candy, use silver as a base. If you want a darker, use a charcoal or a black pearl.
If you want some flames with texture, just use a black with silver marbleizer, then coat the complete job with candy red.
Don't mess with the candy. The real thin spots will be pink.
:luck:
:cheers:
Thanks Hoss and Taz:
This is just what I am looking for, some better ideas. I would like the background to be real different looking and the flames to be more suttle then bold. I noticed both of you sudjested a silver base instead of the gold. What would be the difference in the finished color? So it sounds like the sponging off is out the door but both of you mentioned a marbleizer. That sounds interesting but I have no idea what that is or how it would look. Maybe the answer would be to marbleize the background base. If you could, how would you revamp my 1-14 processes that I laid out? And would you use pearl in the processes at all and if so what colors? The one thing I would have to do is repaint the base for the flames so it would not match the background base. Probably put silver down then do the shadowing with the black. What I would like in the finish is the background to be a little bit darker and deeper Kandy Red then the flames.
This is just what I am looking for, some better ideas. I would like the background to be real different looking and the flames to be more suttle then bold. I noticed both of you sudjested a silver base instead of the gold. What would be the difference in the finished color? So it sounds like the sponging off is out the door but both of you mentioned a marbleizer. That sounds interesting but I have no idea what that is or how it would look. Maybe the answer would be to marbleize the background base. If you could, how would you revamp my 1-14 processes that I laid out? And would you use pearl in the processes at all and if so what colors? The one thing I would have to do is repaint the base for the flames so it would not match the background base. Probably put silver down then do the shadowing with the black. What I would like in the finish is the background to be a little bit darker and deeper Kandy Red then the flames.
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TAZ
Guest
Gold and silver under a candy base usually end up 'about' the same results. If you did a silver base with gold flames, then candied over the complete part, you would barely see the flames.
Since you don't want the flames to stand out that much, I would spray a silver or gold base, then take that color and slightly darken it and spray the flames this color. For a little bit of an added effect, maybe take some charcoal metallic and dab the flames with a very coarse sponge. Then do your drop shadows around the flames, then add the candy over everything.
Since you don't want the flames to stand out that much, I would spray a silver or gold base, then take that color and slightly darken it and spray the flames this color. For a little bit of an added effect, maybe take some charcoal metallic and dab the flames with a very coarse sponge. Then do your drop shadows around the flames, then add the candy over everything.
Ok after reading quite a bit of stuff in here and also from the replies that I have gotten I went to a HOK site and I think this is where I am headed
1) Base coat would be PBC102Q-Black Gold
2) Top that with SG100Q
3)MB02Q-Gold/Blue Marbilizer
4) Top that with SC100Q
5) Mask off flames and useFBC02Q- Orion Silver Shimron for the base
6) Top that with SG100Q
7) Then do what Taz said with a charcoal metallic and then drop the shadows. I was thinking if I could just use the Orion and darken it up with the Black Gold to get the charcoal.
8) Top that with SG100Q
9) Unmask flames and spray the whole job with UK03Q Wild Cherry Kandy
10) Then the finished clear
Now just a few things here, not sure if I am using the SG100Q in the right places. I know I have to use it over the marbilizer but not sure if it is right to use it over the other steps or should I be using something else? Also I do not know what clear I should use to finish off the job seems there are a few to pick from. I would like to only buy the amount that I need of each product so when I am finished I am not tossing out a lot of unused stuff so if anyone can help me in the amounts to buy would I would be very thankful. I will be painting one tank and two fenders and maybe two beanies.
What do you think? Am I using the right products here?
1) Base coat would be PBC102Q-Black Gold
2) Top that with SG100Q
3)MB02Q-Gold/Blue Marbilizer
4) Top that with SC100Q
5) Mask off flames and useFBC02Q- Orion Silver Shimron for the base
6) Top that with SG100Q
7) Then do what Taz said with a charcoal metallic and then drop the shadows. I was thinking if I could just use the Orion and darken it up with the Black Gold to get the charcoal.
8) Top that with SG100Q
9) Unmask flames and spray the whole job with UK03Q Wild Cherry Kandy
10) Then the finished clear
Now just a few things here, not sure if I am using the SG100Q in the right places. I know I have to use it over the marbilizer but not sure if it is right to use it over the other steps or should I be using something else? Also I do not know what clear I should use to finish off the job seems there are a few to pick from. I would like to only buy the amount that I need of each product so when I am finished I am not tossing out a lot of unused stuff so if anyone can help me in the amounts to buy would I would be very thankful. I will be painting one tank and two fenders and maybe two beanies.
What do you think? Am I using the right products here?