WTF is this?? It keeps happening to my paint.

[timber0472]

Help. Im new to painting and I have no idea what this is. It has happened to two of my paint jobs. Heres a quick run down of what i did.

1. had frame bead blasted.
2. Sanded with 80 grit then 150 grit
3. used filler in certain spots, sanded with 80, 180, 220, then used spot putty, sanded again with 220.
4. Cleaned with purple degreaser
5. Sprayed with epoxy primer Kustoms brand
6. Sanded with 500 grit. Cleaned with purple degreaser then water.
7. Sprayed with House of Kolor solar gold...

Not more than 30 seconds after spraying with hok gold it started doing this...
I then began re-wet sanding with 500 grit and then sprayed again with more gold base....this is the final pic..wtf? I allowed for proper flash, i thought i cleaned thoroughly, and i used proper reducer. I have had this happen a few times and I cannot figure out what im doing wrong. Any help would be great. Thanks to all.

 

[paxhc]

are you using purple degreaser/water every time this happens? because im not sure why your using that

i use wax and grease remover(usually whatever brand is on sale) and its perfectly fine

** i should add, i am no expert

 

[timber0472]

are you using purple degreaser/water every time this happens? because im not sure why your using that

i use wax and grease remover(usually whatever brand is on sale) and its perfectly fine

** i should add, i am no expert

Yes Im using it every time, but it was bare metal. There was no wax on it. Ive read where some people try acetone or laq thinner...I tried that but it ate the paint...and yes I only used a little on a rag and whiped it quickly.

I am new to this as well. Its weird that it only happens in certain spots. The tins turned out great, but the frame is a biotch!!

 

[TAZ]

My guess would be that the gold is eating into your sealer.
You probably put the sealer on too heavy, let it sit too long or the Kustoms sealer is not compatible with the HOK type paint.

Do a test panel and put the sealer on like you did. Mask off half the panel. Then spray that with the HOK Gold.
Then the next day (or the same amount of time you let the sealer sit before spraying the gold), spray the HOK Gold over it.
I think you will find it's one of the above.

 

[timber0472]

You may be on to something TAZ. It is very possible that i got the primer too heavy in spots. I know the primer works with HOK bc Ive used it on the tins and they came out great. The frame was a beast to paint. If I wasnt using a Kandy later then I wouldve just powdered it! Next time...

So, what do I do if this is the case? Let it cure for a bit after feathering back to primer? Then it should be good to go?

 

[TAZ]

I'd go ahead and feather back the areas GOOD (get past the lifting areas), spray the sealer again. Then when you spray the sealer, use a less aggressive reducer for the base. If you were using medium, use fast this time.
No matter what though, don't put the base on too wet. Don't even put medium wet coats on.
Put it on very light to start, then get a little heavier with each coat with plenty of time for the previous coat to 'seal' in the...well the real sealer.
Just keep any eye on it when you are spraying the base. Don't get anxious with spraying the base. Put the sealer on light. Just enough to give you a uniform colored area for you to put the base over.

 

[TAZ]

Or, once you get it feathered out past the cracks/lifting, if you have some extra white and black of the Kustom paint, you could make you up a medium gray base and use that instead of the sealer. This will give you the uniform base you need to spray your sealer over.
You'll still need to be careful spraying this, as the edge around the feathered area could lift on you.
Doing this will eliminate it doing what it did on you before since you will be spraying base over base. You'll just have to watch the 'edge' of the feathered area...don't want that lifting on you. Even if it starts lifting, let it sit, and just 1000 wetsand it. What you had before though was a pretty major lifting problem.

 

[timber0472]

Will do. Gonna try to shoot some sealer again today. Ill let ya know how it turns out. Thanks for all the input guys.

 

[Paradox]

Spray the solar gold in light coats too. I've had wrinkling happen with base HOK black over itself because I put it on to heavy. The reducer reactivated the existing coat.

 

[TAZ]

timber0472
Did you do a test panel yet to see if you could figure out the problem?

 

[bullrider_1822]

What you got going on is lifting. Taz is right, lightly sand the lifting out, and very light coats of sealer and base after that, allowe plently of time between coats, you have to try to brige over the lifting spots before you can put heaver coats on. Plus if you are using a tri coat you should always activate your base cause of the amount of solvients used.

 

[timber0472]

timber0472
Did you do a test panel yet to see if you could figure out the problem?

Finished the gold base finally. Took a lot of prep work but came out perfect. TAZ you were right on. The primer was eating the gold. I was laying it on too heavy too. BTW...house of kolor paint rocks but their tech support sux! Still waiting on a response. Thanks to all.

 

[TAZ]

Glad to hear you got it all figured out!

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