Honda rallye red- What to spice it up with using ppg Vibrance line?

[Ryker]

2007 Honda Civic rallye red that is getting some repairs and a full repaint. Using OEM rallye red color but want to add something to it...

• Easy to mix/apply
• Easy to match if future repairs or touch ups are needed
• not too wild but just subtle enough for a non-car person to say that's different

The local body shop uses ppg so I will be limited to ppg Vibrance line up...

Crystal pearls. Red or silver.
Liquid Crystal ($). Four different colors
Prizmatique flake
luminescence II. Four different colors.
Flamboyance red


I like a metallic paint so I wonder how the prizMatique would look added to base rallye red. Unsure what the liquid crystals would do, they are 890.00


Any suggestions? Or what to not consider?


Luminescence II pigments create a shimmering, "color travel" effect guaranteed to grab attention. Luminescence II can be mixed with either Deltron® DBC or Global BC basecoat colors to create a wide range of dazzling basecoat and tri-coat custom finishes.

 

[TAZ]

I personally would use the Liquid Crystals. Spray the Rallye Red, then spray a couple coats of the crystals over the base, then clearcoat.
Without sun, it will look like the stock color. In the sun is when the color and crystals will pop.

You should be able to buy pint of them for about $100-$200. Then mix it with a quart or so of the intermediate clear. Reduce it which should give you about 3 quarts of sprayable paint which is plenty to spray a couple coats.
Do a test panel first (be sure and check it out in the sunlight) as you really can't see these too good in the booth when you are spraying. You don't want to go too overboard with them.

Probably just buy the crystals that are shown over the O-So-Orange. I believe these only run about $125 a pint.

 

[Ryker]

Thanks^

Liquid crystal is $880.00. Crystal pearls are just $190.00. Both 4oz. I May have found a good price on liquid crystal diamond color..
Hope to find some color chips at the paint supplier.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/ksvib.aspx

 

[Ryker]

Crystal Pearl and Liquid Crystal are unique selections of clear and color shifting crystal particles that greatly enhance basecoat color with a crisp and vivid sparkle effect.

This is the ppg description. :think1: One product is 900 and the other is 200.... Yet they are described in the same sentance. What is the difference between these?

I assume ppg normally sells to educated buyers who don't need much description. But a :newbie: Would greatly benefit from some more details.

 

[Wydir]

The pearls used over the O-so-orange are called Emberglo VM4102 depending on when you need to decide I can see if I can get pictures of the different kinds of pearls PPG makes.

 

[TAZ]

What Wydir is talking about are the pearls/crystals I was talking about. These would look great over the Ralleye Red.
A LOT cheaper than that you are referring to.

 

[Wydir]

a 4oz bottle of VM4102 would be $900.00 but you would only need like 4-8 grams of it to do a whole car

 

[Ryker]

Thanks for the helpful numbers. Going to the paint supplier tomorrow and hopefully they have the ability to just sell ,e the amount I need.

 

[Ryker]

I am leaning towards a midcoat of liquid crystal "diamond". Vm4108.

I want to keep the pure red color of the factory rally's red and add some sparkle...

????

 

[Ryker]

What is the colors of the liquid crystal? Emberglo, caspien, glacier, diamonds: Don't really tell me what the color spectrum is.

I assume emberglo is a yellow type. Glacier maybe a blue type...

 

[Wydir]

there are only four color as Diamonds have been discontinued for awhile now



Emerald - Green
Emberglo - Orange
Caspian - Green/blue
Glacier - Blue

I have all but the caspian here. I tried to get a picture but not working to well

 

[TAZ]

I know the crystals I was talking about (the mid-coat for O-So-Orange is pretty much an orange-green. Probably look a little different over the red though.

 

[Ryker]

The supplier has "diamond" in stock. My body guy is going to get a sample and spray a test panel. As well as some of the pearl colors.

I wonder how the prizmatque (small amount) would look in the midcoat?

 

[Wydir]

taz is correct the emberglo is an orange

Diamonds is a clear crystal i believe but I have never seen them


make sure they use 2008 pricing as it has not been in use since then

Diamonds was used in O-SO-Orange but was eliminated from the formula in 2008

 

[Ryker]

I want to stay with a true red. Just add sparkle/depth.

 

[TAZ]

taz is correct the emberglo is an orange

Diamonds is a clear crystal i believe but I have never seen them


make sure they use 2008 pricing as it has not been in use since then

Diamonds was used in O-SO-Orange but was eliminated from the formula in 2008

Didn't realize that. In fact never hear of them.

I did, I think get one of the last pints of "Black Diamond" in existence. I think HOK quit making it.
A customer requested it and we spent quite a bit of time looking for it, found it, bought it, then the customer changed his mind on the color.
I know this is not the same as what you are referring to, but thought I would throw that in there.

 

[Wydir]

The supplier has "diamond" in stock. My body guy is going to get a sample and spray a test panel. As well as some of the pearl colors.

I wonder how the prizmatque (small amount) would look in the midcoat?

your cars color is just a basecoat in PPG there is no midcoat to mix it into

Prizmatque DX-78 is a large rainbow colored flake very loud in my opinion not sutle at all

 

[Ryker]

your cars color is just a basecoat in PPG there is no midcoat to mix it into

Prizmatque DX-78 is a large rainbow colored flake very loud in my opinion not sutle at all

I was going on what taz had advised me. Spray OEM red base cost then spray the liquid crystal.
The supplier advised me that mixing pearls into the red would dilute down / wash out the over all color.

Idk-......

 

[TAZ]

Ryker,

maybe what you meant is...

I wonder how the prizmatque (small amount) would look AS the midcoat?

There is no midcoat on your red. So if you want a mid-coat, you'll need to be creative to make the effect you want.
Or, were you talking about mixing the Pizmatque in with the crystals as the midcoat? I would definitely not do this if this is what you meant by 'mix it in with the midcoat'

In my opinion, Prizmatiqe is a 'dated' flake.
I think I've only used that about 2-3 times in the past 10 years doing custom painting.

 

[Ryker]

I may be using the term mid coat incorrectly. I had thought that the base red could be applied then the liquid crystal could be mixed into a dbc500 as a middle coat.