Honda rallye red- What to spice it up with using ppg Vibrance line?

Wydir

New member
I may be using the term mid coat incorrectly. I had thought that the base red could be applied then the liquid crystal could be mixed into a dbc500 as a middle coat.

ah yes you could mix it with DBC500 and spray as a midcoat no problem
 

Ryker

New member
Mixed color must be mechanically shaken for 15–30 minutes to ensure pigmentsare properly dispersed.

This is the instruction from ppg. My painter said he has never shaken his pearls and wasn't aware of this.

He had sprayed the base red then applied liquid crystal "diamonds" as a mid coat with dbc500 and we didn't notice any effect change. Said the supplier sent him 10 grams and he used it all. I had thought the advice wydir had given was 5-8 grams was enough for the whole car.... I am thinking it wasnt applied/mixed correctly.
 
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Wydir

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Maybe thats why it was discontinued........also your color is a solid color you should easily see the diamond crystals on top with a flashlight. Also if your painter has never mixed up his paints before using them i would find a new painter. If i had some diamond i would be more than happy to do a sprayout but i only have the three i listed before
 
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TAZ

Administrator
Staff member
Ryker,

You are correct.
The midcoat on your paint job would be the intermediate clear and whatever you put in it.
 

Ryker

New member
Maybe thats why it was discontinued........also your color is a solid color you should easily see the diamond crystals on top with a flashlight. Also if your painter has never mixed up his paints before using them i would find a new painter. If i had some diamond i would be more than happy to do a sprayout but i only have the three i listed before


I took the ppg Tech Info PDF and showed him that ppg advises 15-30 minute shake and another 15-30 if reduced. He said he has never he has never shaken anything that long.... The sprayouts he did of silver, orange, blue and red all looked proper to my novice eye.


I think he uses to heavy of a mix and/or didn't shake it enough to spread it out. The sprayout had an ever slight matte look to it.

He is going to do a few more sprayouts with the diamonds and hopefully he shakes it properly and gets the just right ratio.


Thanks for the help..... Living in a rural area has its downsides and it's hard to find advice sometimes.
 

Ryker

New member
Dear Sir:

Thank you for your interest in PPG Refinish products. The Liquid Crystal VM4108 Diamonds is a transparent looking shifting crystal that can enhance the basecoat underneath. Prior to its discontinuation in 2008, it was used in conjunction with one of the other four Liquid Crystal colors to enhance the sparkle, and rarely used by itself. You would most likely have to use a sun-gun to notice the sparkle effect by itself. If you were to use VM4102 Emberglo in your Rally Red, you would probably notice the red color sparkle more than what you currently have.


Before using any PPG Refinish products, be sure you understand the warning messages on the labels of all components, since the mixture will have the hazards of all its parts. Spray equipment must be handled with due care and in accordance with manufacturer's recommendations. Spraying of any material can be hazardous. PPG recommends the use of a fresh air supplied respirator with the use of any of our products. PPG Refinish materials are designed for application by professionally, trained personnel using proper equipment under controlled conditions, and is not intended for sale to the general public.

Thank You,
PPG Refinish Technical Service





-----Original Message-----

To: Refinish Sales Service
Subject: Liquid crystal "diamonds"

Could I get some technical advise on the liquid crystal products? I've tried a few spray outs of liquid crystal diamonds over a base coat Honda rally red and I could see any change in color, sparkle or any real change. Are there any tips for using this product?

Thanks

Semper Fi
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Ryker

New member
Emberglo test panel looked good. Gave is the sparkle and slight color change at an angle. Going to dilute the ratio of emberglo by 1/2 so we can spray two coats. Also going to futher dilute to emberglo by replacing 1/3 of the ratio with diamonds. So I can have less color change and more sparkle/depth.
 
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